Counting Csm Blackjack

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  • If a dealer deals out a few rounds, then takes the used cards and puts them into a machine that he is continually taking cards out of, then he is using a CSM. These machines continually shuffle together 3-5 decks, making it impossible to predict what types of cards are left in the shoe. Thus, it's impossible to count a CSM game.
  • The reason the CSM causes the house edge to go down ever so slightly is because of a phenomenon known as the 'cut card effect,' which slightly increases the probability of getting tens and blackjack when a CSM is used. Now before you rush out and play blackjack on a table that uses a CSM, pay attention to the rest of the story.
  • Blackjack cannot be beaten without counting. The shuffling machines have nothing to do with the poor hands you're being dealt. That's selective memory. The shoe game CAN be beaten. You'll need to learn a counting system, be sufficiently funded, and you'll need to practice, practice, and practice.
Francisco
I met several players in Manila' casinos who are trying to beat CSM blackjack by using Stephen How method of card counting. ( discount gaming .net). I asked them how they are dong so far. They said they are doing ok.
They sit in the table watching( counting) ,Wong in and Wong out , casino doesn't care. They beat minimumon one hand, then when the count is good they beat every hand with maximum.
The rule here are pretty good for player: CSM 6 deck, early surrender, no peak, double any 2 cards,split any pair up to 3 times. Split ace once .lose original bet only when banker has BJ.Banker stand on soft 17. Double after split ( except Ace)
So , any comment?
BleedingChipsSlowly

Basic hit/stay soft 17 strategy, Google it. You can't count csm's though. Better to pray to the RNG gods and socialize a lot. Oh make sure to get free drinks to make up for the obscene house edge;). The house holds the edge over any recreational blackjack and wants faster games to capitalize on this advantage. A CSM allows casinos to deal around 20% more hands per hour. The exact amount that casino stand to make from faster blackjack tables varies based on different factors.

Counting CSM Blackjack (+EV) is the article about the method, posted almost six years ago. Some replies to the article claim success using the method.
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One thing to note either way.. one hand of min to max hands at max is going to lead to some hideous variance. Thus, you could be playing this for tens of thousands of hands and be up when really you're -EV, or you could be way down when you're +EV. Going to take hundreds of thousands of hands to prove out the advantage..
I think it's beatable, only if you have a seriously ridiculously large bankroll. Think of it as being a regular shoe game and casinos cutting off 3/4 decks. Thus you only get 1 deck worth of information at a time before each shuffle. Your frequencies will be way less and thus when you do get the good counts you need to STUFF the betting driving your variance through the roof (as well as your bankroll requirements).
deviru
I have the machine and have spent huge amount of time but still haven't figure out a solid strategy to beat it. I will share what i have found so far.
1. there are 38 slots and each contains 6 to 12 cards before it extracts the card. but on the latest version (one2six OTS), the max no. of card is 10 instead of 12.
2. when a certain number of cards are pulled (usually 10 cards, but sometimes less), one of the slot passes the cards into chute. in this case, the wheel doesn't move, and will use the closest slot to the chute.
3. there are always about 16 to 20 cards in the exit waiting to be played.
4. there are about 30 - 40 cards that cannot come out because they are less than 6 cards in a slot. it seems like those slots are usually crowded all together but they can be anywhere.
5. if you dont put the card back in the machine and keep taking out the cards, the slot wont move around and extracts the closest slot, so that the empty slots are all together.
6. if you keep taking out the card and when it needs to extract while its shuffling, the wheel stops at random point and extract the card and then start shuffling again.
7. i pull out 10 cards and put them back in one by one while the cover is opened and write down which slot the machine picks to fill the chute and which slot the cards go back in. the result was quite interesting.
it picks 2 areas for in and out. for example, machine picks slot #9 to fill the chute and then slot #23. when it picks those 2 areas, it will keep using the close areas to fill the chute. next was like #6, #20, #7, #21, #5, #19 and so on. the number only went downward and rarely use the same slot again. (maybe once the slot is used, it is emptied and takes awhile to get enough cards to extract.) same pattern applies to the slots that the cards go in.
this means some slots stay out of play for a prolonged time and the cards that will appear in the next round is very limited.
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Big fish casino tips to win slot machines. Paying taxes on online casino winnings. I have the machine and have spent huge amount of time but still haven't figure out a solid strategy to beat it. I will share what i have found so far.

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are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)
deviru

are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)


i would like to, but im not in vegas. you can pm and ask me anything.

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are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)


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are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)
deviru

are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)


i would like to, but im not in vegas. you can pm and ask me anything.

Counting Csm Blackjack

7up

are you in vegas? i will be in town for WSOP, and can bring the gear needed to non-destructively dump the ROM on this thing any which way we need to. wanna find out how these work for once and for all? :)
(seriously, PM me. i want to check out the code on these things as a matter of curiousity, regardless.)


email me .. bj7up@yahoo.com
acw
deviru,
Did you ever manage to update the software?
deviru

deviru,
Did you ever manage to update the software?


i updated it to 2.03.i but im not sure if this is the latest version.
acw

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I did see some casinos use that version. On which website did you find the update?

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Lately cause Europe is all csm in blackjack I come across this site and found it actually pretty profitable just waiting for a small advantage than wonging in. I use one 1-3 units (green) I mainly focus upon poker but it pays the hotels and that is always a good thing. I have given the link here cause it is pretty reliable and unknown for the public.
Also Ace sequencing is working for me here. Would be nice to get some feed back here. Also would be happy if some one can give me a computer simulation based upon the rules I face.




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